Sig Sauer P938 Review

Sig P938Last year during the Shot Show, Sig Sauer introduced its second 9mm “pocket pistol”.  The first was the P290.  It’s a 100% reliable firearm (P290), just like any Sig Sauer product, but the chief complaint by shooters was that it was too “blocky” like a Glock and the trigger pull had a substantially long travel before firing, which is very similar to the P250 (not a fan of this particular trigger).  So Sig developed the P938.  The P938 was developed to compete with other 9mm pocket pistols like the Khar CM9, Ruger LC9, Smith & Wesson M&P 9 Shield, or the Kel-Tec PF9 to name just a few.

The P938 is identical in appearance and operation to the P238 (.380 ACP).  The P238 has an impeccable service record like any Sig firearm, but the .380 round is just too small and does not pack enough punch for me.  The complaints with the P290 and popularity of the P238 led to the P938.  The P938 is the first 1911-inspired 9mm micro-compact by SIG SAUER. This lightweight, all-metal pistol builds on the trusted P238 platform, delivering accuracy and reliability with duty caliber performance.

I purchased my Sig Sauer P938 in early January this year with the intent of carrying it simply as a concealed carry weapon (CCW).  Sig or not, before I ever put any weapon into service I like to conduct several tests at the range.  There are some people out there that don’t mind taking a gun right out of the box and putting their life behind the gun’s operation.  If you want to rely on the one or two rounds they shoot at the factory then that’s all you.  But any competent and highly effective shooter is going to take their time and make the gun earn your trust.  Of course barring any crazy manufacturer defect the gun is going to operate flawlessly out of the box (except for most 1911s that require some fine tuning) but you should really take the gun home and clean all the manufacturer’s oil off and use your preferred lubricant.

My New Baby…

SIGLITE night sightsThe P938 looks just like a mini 1911 minus the beaver-tail safety.  It’s a single action only (SAO) firearm, with a consistent 7.5lb-8.5lb trigger.  So just like any 1911 platform, it can only be fired from and is carried in the cocked and locked position.  There is virtually zero slack in the trigger.  If I was to give it a number I would say it’s easily 1mm or less and very difficult to detect.  I can only describe the trigger as crisp.  There are eight different variants of the gun that are all completely based on aesthetics in terms of finish and grips.  All eight variants operate exactly the same.  The variants are: Blackwood, Extreme, Rosewood, Equinox, Black Rubber Grip, Nightmare, AG, and SAS.  They all come with full-size SIGLITE night sights and have an ambidextrous safety.  With dimensions just slightly larger than its .380 ACP counterpart, the P938 packs six plus one rounds of 9mm into an all-metal frame. The cocked-and-locked single-action trigger gives the P938 unmatched accuracy in a pistol its size (sigarms.com).  Some of the variants like mine come with a seven round extended magazine instead of the flush six rounder.  I highly recommend purchasing the seven round extended magazines if your specific model only comes with the six round magazines.  The extended magazine gives you just enough extra space for people with larger meat hooks like Chris and I, to get a proper, full, comfortable grip.  If you need a refresher on proper grip check out Chris’ article “7 Habits of Highly Effective Shooters”.  That is my shooting bible!  According to Sig, the only models that come with the extended magazines are the Black Rubber Grip and Extreme variants.  These are metal single stack magazines that aren’t exactly cheap.  They both retail for the same price from Sig for $46, which is on par with any high-end all-metal single stack magazines.  Most gun stores are selling them for $49.99.

A drawback of many micro-compact or 9mm pocket pistols available today can be punishing to shoot a box of 50 rounds at the range.  Every major gun manufacturer today lightens their firearms by simply replacing metal with polymer.  Polymer is great, but not in a micro-compact 9mm round, especially if you’re carry/defense ammo is 124gr or 147gr.  The all-metal platform provides a stable platform that easily handles the recoil of any 9mm round even in a micro-compact frame.  The all-metal frame really makes a difference.  I like the way my P938 handles recoil better than my Glock 26, plus the P938 is so much easier to carry, especially IWB.

Crazy Relatives

Before I get into my range report/review, lets clear the air and talk about the problems many P938 experienced last year.  In this section and the follow-on review, the following terms mean: FTF (failure to feed) and FTE (failure to extract).  If the gun simply did not fire after the hammer struck the primer, then I’ll just call it a good old misfire.  So the initial release of the P938 up until models manufactured to OCT 2012 (per Sig and my research) are the ones that had FTF and FTE issues.  Sig narrowed down the actual serial numbers.  The serial numbers on the P938 all start with “52A0” then all numbers after that are the unique numbers to your pistol.  The ones with serial numbers of 8899 and lower are the “misfit toys”.  These serial numbers relate to manufacture dates of about mid-September 2012 and earlier.  Now we talked about the P238 and P938 being very similar in appearance and size, except one is chambered in .380 ACP and 9mm.  Though the P938 is slightly, and I mean slightly beefier, the internals are the same.  This is the root of the problems.

Apparently Sig used the same extractor, extractor spring, and recoil spring from the P238 into the new P938.  Remember that the .380 ACP round is pretty much a shorty-9mm round.  But the these parts (the extractor, extractor spring, and recoil spring) from the P238 were not enough to properly function and extract the 9mm round.  This is where the FTE problems came from.  Now the FTF problems were directly related to the smaller P238 recoil spring coupled with what I call a “not so polished” feed ramp.  Once the problems were identified, you could send your P938 directly to Sig (on their dime) and they put in what they called an enhanced extractor assembly and recoil spring, along with properly polishing the feed ramp.  From what I’ve seen from Sig and forums like SigTalk, those that had the upgrades installed were happy with the final product.  I’m sure Sig used those parts from the P238 as a way of cutting costs.  I mean it’s a business so these things happen.  But what sets Sig apart was how quick they identified the problem and took care of its loyal consumers.  I did my research before I purchased my P938 and made sure my manufacture date was beyond SEP 2012 and my serial number was higher than 8899.  Mine is actually 3XXXX, which is well beyond the problem line.  If you have one of the problem guns you should contact Sig and have them replace the parts, even if you haven’t seen the problems.  If you have a problem gun and haven’t seen the FTFs or FTEs, then Sig says you’re likely using 115gr ammo or lower.  If you hit the 124gr or 147gr, you’re going to start seeing the problems.  These are rounds most people use for carry/defense ammo.  And if you find yourself buying a previously owned P938, private party sale or from an authorized dealer, with a serial number 8899 or lower, you can contact Sig with the serial number and ask if the enhanced upgrades have been completed already.

Order up!

When buying a pistol, especially a micro-compact pistol like the Sig P938, one is likely doing so with the intention of carrying the weapon concealed.  This is why this specific firearm was designed and produced.  Now I know times are tough for many people with the economy, but when it comes to buying a firearm for self-defense you should not be cheap.  If you want to spend $300 or less for a new gun that you’re going to rely upon when your life or someone else’s life is on the line….well all I can say is good luck.  I’m not saying that you need to go out and buy the most high-end firearm, but you should do your research and go with the a company like Sig Sauer who is simply reliable.  Again, Sig is what I carry as my duty pistol and concealed carry pistol.  This is my personal preference.  Take your time buying a reliable firearm from a reliable company.  Even in the rare instances where a firearm from a company like Sig has some manufacturer defect, they will go out of their way to remedy the issue and go as far as replacing your firearm with a brand new one.

Where was I?

Transtar II

7 rounds, 7 seconds @ 15 yards.

So finally, here’s my review and range report.  I fired a total of 1,200 rounds (1,000 rounds of range ammo and 200 rounds of defense ammo) from my purchase date in early January 2013 to the end of March 2013.  This was completed over a total of 15 different range visits (all indoor sessions).  I shot the various targets listed above from distances of 3-yards all the way out to 25-yards.  Now let me be clear, a 9mm micro-compact pistol was not designed as a long-range pistol.  It’s intended for close quarters defense situations.  I pushed it out to 25-yards to test the gun’s and my limitations.  The firearm was accurate out to 25-yards and I was easily able to hit center mass.  Part of my success at this distance for such a small pistol was due in part to the weapon having the full-size SIGLITE night sights.  It’s exactly the same sights that are on my duty pistol (Sig P229R-DAK chambered in .40 S&W).  So the sight picture was identical.  Don’t forget this rule when it comes to self-defense shootings, “3, 3, 3”.  Most self-defense shootings occur within 3 yards, last 3 seconds or less, with a total of 3 rounds or less fired.

I fired 256 rounds before I had my first malfunction.  It was an FTE.  All malfunctions that I had going through all 1,200 rounds were FTEs (a total of 12), with the exception of six misfires.  I was shooting the cheapest ammo I could find when I had my first and most malfunctions, which was the HSM 115gr FMJs.  HSM is a small company out of Montana that sells reloads/remanufactured ammo.  It comes lose in an orange box.  This was the first time I had ever seen or heard of this ammo company.  Out of the 12 FTEs, 10 of them were during the 100 rounds of HSM I shot.  The other two FTEs came with the Magtech 115gr FMJ and the other with the Winchester Ranger T-Series 147gr JHP.  Out of the six misfires, four of them were also with the HSM ammo, one with the Magtech, and one with the Remington UMC 115gr.  With all the misfires I attempted to fire the round a second time with no success.  I then took the misfire rounds and tried to put them through my Glock 26, since Glocks have a fantastic track record of being able to eat any ammo.  All six rounds also misfired in my Glock, so this was a complete failure of the round and not a malfunction of the P938.

Man-Up!

I would shoot on average between 50 and 100 rounds each session at the range, as I wanted to take my time and get a true feel for the gun.  Even on the days I shot 100 rounds I experienced no fatigue or pain.  With other 9mm pocket pistols that have a polymer frame like the Kel-Tec or Ruger, it can be a bit rough to even shoot a box of 50 rounds.  The all-metal platform of the Sig P938 gives it just enough weight and beef to absorb the recoil instead of all the recoil being absorbed by your wrist.  I shot the pistol strong-hand supported and unsupported and reaction-hand supported and unsupported.  I shot from various stances and positions ranging from combat (squared up to the target), weaver, modified weaver, kneeling, strong and reaction side barricade, and shooting through the barricade window.

Equipment Used:

Targets:

  • Birchwood Casey Shoot-N-C 8-inch Bulls-eyes (sticker)
  • Birchwood Casey Shoot-N-C 9-inch Silhouettes (sticker)
  • Birchwood Casey Shoot-N-C 12-inch Site-ins (sticker)
  • DHS/U.S. Treasury Transtar 1 Silhouettes (blue and green)
  • DHS/U.S. Treasury Transtar 2 Silhouettes (blue and green)

Ammo:

  • Target/Range:
    • HSM: 115gr FMJ (remanufactured – worst ammo I could find)
    • Federal (white box): 115gr FMJ
    • Federal American Eagle: 115gr FMJ
    • Federal American Eagle: 147gr FMJ (subsonic flat-nose)
    • Magtech: 115gr FMC
    • Sellier & Bellot: 115gr FMJ
    • Remington UMC: 115gr FMJ
  • Carry/Defense:
    • Speer Gold Dot: 115gr JHP
    • Federal Hydra-Shok: 124gr JHP
    • Winchester Ranger T-Series: 147gr JHP

Pros:

  • It’s a Sig!
  • Micro-compact frame
  • All-metal platform
  • Chambered in 9mm
  • Slim and lightweight
  • Full-size SIGLITE night sights
  • Ambidextrous safety
  • Checkered rear grip/back strap
  • All-metal single stack magazines
  • 8 different variants
  • Reliable and crisp 7.5lb-8.5lb trigger with virtually zero slack
  • Easily concealable whether IWB, belt carry, or ankle carry
  • Disassembly/Assembly is simple
  • Easy to clean
  • Fun to shoot
  • Did I mention it was a Sig?

Cons:

  • Initial release had FTF and FTE problems
  • They only come with one magazine
  • Magazines are expensive and hard to find
  • 6 round magazine is too small
  • Magazines are a bit tricky to disassemble/reassemble
  • Trigger face is a little rough

Did you notice I didn’t mention anything in the “Pros” or “Cons” about price?  MSRP depends on the variant you choose and ranges from $795 to $838.  I purchased mine in WA state from West Coast Armory in Bellevue, WA for $699.  It was a steal, especially given the current climate and political non-sense surrounding firearms…..don’t get me started!

Sig Sauer P938: PASSED

My overall impression of the Sig Sauer P938 (Black Rubber Grip) is that it’s an exceptional firearm.  I give the gun a grade of an A.  I would expect nothing less from Sig Sauer.  I would have given it an A+ if it came with more than one magazine.  I enjoyed shooting this gun and love carrying it concealed.  The “Pros” in my opinion far exceed the “Cons”.  Even in a micro-compact size, the pistol is highly accurate.  When it comes to shooting, the equation of human factors + firearm factors + ammo factors + weather factors = accuracy.  I only shot this gun at an indoor range, so weather was not a factor.  When it comes the firearms factor of the P938, the full-size SIGLITE night sights, the zero slack trigger, and extended magazine are all geared towards increasing the accuracy of the firearm.  I was easily able to keyhole my target out to 15 yards.  It’s just a great gun to shoot.  My wife and other people that I’ve let put rounds down the range absolutely love the gun too.

Carrying this gun concealed, as it was designed for, is pleasant.  With the correct holster you virtually forget you’re even carrying it.  I have the “Down Under w/ Clip High Ride” IWB holster from High Noon Holsters.  HNH is a high-end leather holster company and quite possibly the best holster I’ve worn.  With this specific HNH holster and “J” clip design, I can wear my P938 even in shorts or sweatpants.  The “J” clip has so much retention against the holster that there is no problem drawing the gun when you’re not wearing a belt.

Bottom line:

Sig hit the mark with the P938 and they now have a competitive firearm in the popular 9mm pocket pistol market.  I’ve tested this gun extensively and it’s my first choice when I want to carry a pocket pistol.  I have no reservations with relying on this gun to save my life or the life of another.  I highly recommend the Sig Sauer P938.

If you’ve shot this pistol before or have any comments or questions, please leave them in the comments below.

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142 Responses to “Sig Sauer P938 Review”

  1. Danny EwingMay 21, 2013 at 19:01 #

    Outstanding write-up. Very informative. Thank you.

    I attended the NRA National Convention here in Houston and saw this pistol. As soon as I had it in my hands, I knew this was the one I wanted. It was labeled as P938 BLACKOUT and had an MSRP of $823.

    I currently carry the Sig P232 but want more.
    I also have a Para Ordnance P-12 but its too bulky and heavy for everyday carry.
    If Sig had any for sale at the show, I would have gone home with one, but they only had displays.

    I can’t find one anywhere yet but still on the lookout.

    • PJMay 23, 2013 at 09:36 #

      Danny,
      Thanks for reading. I was actually a bit jaded at first because most reviews on P938 trashed it, and rightfully so given its early production issues. Typically a company like Sig Sauer is spot-on with new guns and having no issues. But from time to time things happen. Being a consumer we have to be reasonable and give companies a chance to fix the problem, which Sig has done.

      The “Blackout” variant that you saw is the one I have and reviewed. Sig (per their website) still calls it the “Black rubber grip” for some reason. Blackout sounds way more hostile and intense. But $823 is the full-blown retail price. Given today’s firearms climate I would grab one as soon as you could. Everyone is talking about how slowly the prices and supply are going back to “normal”, but I don’t believe that at all. Guns and ammo is going to be like gas….when something terrible happens the prices will spike out of control, and when things recede, the prices and supply will slowly drop, but never go as low as they were before. Unfortunately there’s always going to be idiots and criminals out there giving firearms and honest firearms owners a bad reputation. No matter what laws go into effect, there is no “magic bullet” to stop those that are set on committing horrendous crimes. So if you come across the gun you want and it’s somewhat reasonable in price (at or close to MSRP) then I say get it.

      The P232 is a good concealment gun, but I’m just not a fan of the .380 for self-defense. But it’s still better than nothing. I agree about the Para Ordnance P-12. Great gun, but too beefy for concealed carry, especially in lighter clothing.

      Take care and I hope you and your future Sig P938 find each other soon!

      V/R,
      PJ

    • michael greenfieldMarch 14, 2014 at 18:54 #

      Outstanding Review

      • PJMarch 16, 2014 at 20:25 #

        Michael,
        Thanks for taking the time to read it. Like any review, everyone has their respectful opinions. This was mine and I’m happy to share my experience.
        PJ

  2. ÉowynMay 25, 2013 at 16:15 #

    Not to brag too much, but, we just picked up a P938 AG (bimetal) with laser both 5 and 6 round mags, lock, and hard case, brand new (May 2013 date) for $570! When I was reading your review and then went to the Sig website, I could not believe the MSRP was $823 without any mention of the laser, lock, case or 2 magazines. The only thing that would make it better is if both mags were 6′s ;-) Can’t wait to fire it!
    Thanks for the in depth review.

    • ÉowynMay 25, 2013 at 16:17 #

      OOPS! I meant the 6 and 7 round extended mags.

    • PJMay 28, 2013 at 22:03 #

      Éowyn,
      No worries…I would be bragging too if I found the P938 for that price! I was excited to pay only $699 for mine, which is still a decent deal given today’s gun shortages. That’s alright about the mag capacities, I knew exactly what you meant. The laser is a cool little feature and I’ve seen a few of them with the laser. The two mags is rare. Even Sig says they only come with a single mag, so you scored. Enjoy firing it. Take your time and put at least 250 rounds through it to break it in. Out of that 250 rounds I recommend at least putting through 50 rounds of your intended carry ammo. Yes it’s going to be a bit expensive, but properly testing your gun with your carry ammo is paramount. You don’t want to put it to the test for the first time in a self-defense situation. Good luck again and let us know how it goes.
      V/R,
      PJ

    • james o carySeptember 4, 2013 at 21:51 #

      Where can I find a green laser for my sig p938?

      • PJSeptember 22, 2013 at 18:29 #

        James,
        I just got back from a little trip and I’m catching up so I apologize for the delay. LaserMax makes green lasers, but I just checked on their site and they still don’t have one available for the P938. It’s just too new of a gun. There are some red lasers available, such as from Crimson Trace. This specific one goes on the front side of the trigger guard. If you get this Mod then you’ll have to get a holster specifically made for a P938 w/Crimson Trace. My preferred holster company is actually High Noon Holsters. I own several of their holsters for my Sigs and Glocks and find them superior to most everything out there when it comes to durability, craftsmanship, reliability, and “use-ability”. Here are the links to Crimson Trace and High Noon Holsters. I don’t think HNH holsters makes one specifically yet for a P938 with the Crimson Trace, but they easily accommodate special orders:
        http://www.crimsontrace.com/products/manufacturer/sig-sauer/01-7070
        http://www.highnoonholsters.com/

        Good luck with your search and selections. If I find or hear about a green laser I’ll get back to you.
        V/R,
        PJ

  3. Alex VasilantoneMay 27, 2013 at 20:58 #

    You did a very thorough and impressive review. I currently carry a Sig P238 and have been very happy with it. It is easily concealed and I am very confident with it, since I have not had a single problem with it regardless of what I ammo I shot. After reading the earlier reviews of the P938 that were less than positive, I kept researching and shopping. This is where the “shortage” has played in my favor. I would have purchased a diferent gun if I was able to find one. Your in depth review has steared me back to Sig. Thanks!
    Alex

    • PJMay 28, 2013 at 21:55 #

      Alex,
      Thanks for reading and your thoughts. I enjoyed everything about this gun review from purchase to last round fired. The P238 is a fantastic gun and I liked that they made it just a bit larger with the P938 and chambered it in 9mm. Of course the ballistics of the 9mm are better than the .380ACP, but always remember that loud noises don’t end gun fights, well-aimed shots do. So small caliber or not, if you put your rounds where you intend then you’re good to go. Good luck finding finding your P938….it’s somewhere out there waiting for you. Be safe!
      V/R,
      PJ

  4. Jim MorrisMay 28, 2013 at 19:50 #

    Outstanding review-almost as outstanding as the P938. I have the Rosewood and love it. I broke it in with 200 of my reloads and 12 HydraShocks. I had six misfires due to my improper primer seating, but had no FTFs or FTEs. As you said, accuracy is outstanding, and comfort of shooting is unmatched. This is truly a unique and outstanding firearm. My only wishes are to smooth out trigger pull and install non serrated trigger.

    • PJMay 28, 2013 at 22:15 #

      Jim,
      I truly appreciate your comments and taking the time read and reply. We do this for people like you and love doing it. I was actually looking for the Rosewood variant when I stumbled across the Blackout/Rubber Grip variant. Something about the Rosewood grips reminds me of a gun you’d see at a poker table in the Wild West. It’s just plain awesome! I’m happy to hear your P938 operated so well. I used to carry 124gr HydraShoks and still do from time to time, but right now I’m carrying Winchester T-Series 147gr JHPs. I’m waiting to find Federal HSTs in 9mm. The HSTs are very similar and have the same ballistics as the old school Black Talons. I carry the HSTs in my Glock 21 (.45ACP) and love them. I pushed them through ballistics gel and the HSTs just stay together better than any other JHPs, including HydraShoks. But either way you can’t go wrong with Federal (my preferred) HydarShoks or the HSTs.

      I echo your findings on the P938 as well. It’s simply outstanding and I expected nothing less from Sig. It’s always tough to “smooth” out a SAO trigger system, but it can be done. I would say the “give” on the trigger has a similar break as a striker fired pistol such as a Glock. Not exact, but it has that similar crisp break. I also don’t like the serrated/grooved trigger, especially with the narrow trigger. It can feel like it’s cutting into your finger a bit if you fire more than 25 rounds.

      Come back often and stay safe!
      V/R,
      PJ

      • Jim MorrisMay 29, 2013 at 19:20 #

        Will most certainly check out HSTs, if this “shortage” ever ends

        J

        • PJMay 31, 2013 at 21:05 #

          HSTs aren’t too hard to find like range ammo. But they are at a premium. They are on par with Hydra-Shok pricing. But the cool thing is HSTs not only come in 20rd boxes like the Shoks, but you can also find them in 50rd boxes at great prices. Good luck in your search.

          • Jim MorrisJune 7, 2013 at 20:30 #

            Found them on LuckyGunner.

      • Jim MorrisJune 12, 2013 at 16:25 #

        PJ:

        Your opinion on Federal Hi Shoks for my Kimber? Lucky Gunner has them but not HSTs. Could u email me at jmorris@jrmorrislaw.com? Thanks.

        • PJJune 13, 2013 at 18:57 #

          Jim,
          Will do. I’ll email you soon.
          PJ

  5. Neill SmithMay 31, 2013 at 13:02 #

    What a great review.
    I traded my P238 for the P938 two weeks ago. Great deal, $250 difference and they threw in a 7 round mag. Ran to the range as quick as I could and had about 300 rounds down range, in 115gr and 124gr, before the day was over. There were several friends that fired it too and all were impressed with the easy recoil (I wish my G26 were as easy) and the accuracy of the little Sig. The ONLY problem I had was that my old arthritic fingers had trouble loading the magazine. The recoil spring was a little stiff to reinstall (I had to put a dowel in from the front-put the spring on that-then slide the guide rod in the other end). Worked like a charm.

    • PJMay 31, 2013 at 21:16 #

      Neill,
      Thanks for reading and I’m glad you enjoyed it. Most P938 reviews are older and came out just months after the gun hit the market. I’m not saying they weren’t proper reviews, because they were at the time, but I think they should re-review the gun after Sig identified and fixed the few problems. I couldn’t tell much of a difference between the 115gr and 124gr, but you may notice it if you try out any 147gr ammo. I carry the Winchester T-Series 147gr JHPs, at least until I can find more Federal HSTs (only have them in .40 and .45 right now). Friends and folks at the range also love shooting my P938. You can’t beat the accuracy. I attribute this to the full-sized night/high-vis sights and obviously the shooter. The spring in those mags are very tight but they get “broken in” after some use (I’m well over 1,000rds). I used a small armorer’s punch (3/32) to do the same thing you did with the dowel to disassemble the mags. Enjoy your new gun and come back often. Feel free to ask us anything.
      V/R,
      PJ

    • Jim MorrisJune 3, 2013 at 15:18 #

      Neill:
      Pick up a maglula mag loader. Fantastic device that makes mag loading a snap.

      • ChuckSeptember 22, 2013 at 09:48 #

        Ditto on the maglula. If you spend much time at the range it will save your fingers and greatly decrease the reload time for the mags. The mag sets in a inverted V so it works with most single and double stack mags too. Pretty much everything but skinny 380 and .22 mags.

        Everyone that sees it in action wants one.

        • PJSeptember 22, 2013 at 18:39 #

          Chuck,
          It is a nice little tool, especially for anyone who has trouble with jamming the last few rounds in a mag with a heavy spring.
          V/R,
          PJ

  6. Chris BeachMay 31, 2013 at 17:53 #

    Excellent, comprehensive review. Thank you.

    I am about 400 rounds into my new P938, and my only issue seems to be that the extended mag falls out of position on occasion. Not sure why. I do not ever intend to carry with the extended mag, but it still bugs me a bit.

    Agree completely that this model is the easiest gun I have every carried. Pocket, IWB, ankle — not matter. It’s comfy!

    • PJMay 31, 2013 at 21:24 #

      Chris,
      I appreciate your comments and you’re very welcome. Like I tell many others, this is what we love to do and we do it for people like you.

      You talked about the extended mags “falling out of position” on occasion. Is it the mag actually becoming unseated from the gun while you’re shooting, or does the actual pinky extension/mag floor plate coming lose? If it’s the floor plate then I would consider this a faulty mag and send it back to Sig (call them first). They’ll actually pay for shipping to and from. They would probably just send you a new one. But if it’s the mag becoming unseated during shooting it could be your grip and/or you’re inadvertently depressing the mag release just enough without knowing it. This was my problem. I was trying to grip the gun in the same manner as my duty pistol (P229R-DAK). The P938 was my first “9mm pocket pistol” so I had to learn/train myself how to properly grip it, especially with bigger hands.

      I love having this gun CCW too. I concur with you assessment as it being “comfy”. Enjoy you P938!
      V/R,
      PJ

      • Chris BeachJune 12, 2013 at 19:58 #

        Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. The magazine drops about a quarter inch during shooting! I simply pop it back in, rack the slide and continue shooting…until it happens again (often just a few shots later). I will try to pay attention to my grip when I return to the range, but I’m not holding any different from when I shoot with the flush mags, which have been foolproof.

        Thanks for your thoughts.

        chris

        • PJJune 13, 2013 at 22:50 #

          Chris,
          No worries, we all have crazy schedules and never enough time. It sounds like you have a magazine with a factory defect. The cut-out that the internal portion of the mag release could be too big, too small, and out of specs. You should contact Sig directly by phone (not email, it takes too long) and tell them what’s happening. They’ll likely have you ship the magazine back so they can check it out and likely ship you a new one if there is in fact something wrong with it, which is what it appears to be.
          V/R,
          PJ

          • Chris BeachJune 19, 2013 at 17:09 #

            Thank you so much for the advice, PJ. I spoke to SIG and they told me to send back my extended mag and they would replace it pronto. I’ve been very happy with SIG’s customer service. Once I receive the replacement mag I will report back to you.

            Thanks again!

            chris

          • PJJune 19, 2013 at 19:03 #

            Chris,
            No worries, very happy to help. SIG has always been nothing but great when fixing factory errors. Yes they’re a business, but they are one of those few companies that take care of all consumers whether you’re a first-time/single gun buyer or a devoted returning SIG fan. Please let me know what happens with the new mag. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
            V/R,
            PJ

          • Chris BeachAugust 1, 2013 at 12:21 #

            Hi PJ –

            Finally got a chance to get out with the new extended magazine and put it through the test. In short, I fired about 150 rounds of both 124-grain Fed HS JHP and standard 115-grain ball ammo from Remington. If you recall, I was having problems both with FTEs and the actual magazine falling out of battery every few shots. I had the magazine replaced.

            REPORT:
            3 FTEs, primarily with the 115-grain ammo. The magazine dropped a tad out of battery once. I’ve noticed that the extended magazine is fairly persnickety when it comes to loading. I have to be very deliberate in loading to make sure every round is nice and flush with the back of the mag (can’t be off by so much as a smidgeon). I believe my 3 FTEs occurred during times where I was not quite as deliberate in seating the rounds. But that’s a guess on my part.

            What are your thoughts, overall? Should I expect the extended mag to be flawless (like the flush mags)? Should I expect the issue to smooth out as I continue to train with it?

            I realize you can only offer your opinion on the matter, but I’d greatly appreciate it.

            Thank you!

          • PJAugust 1, 2013 at 19:58 #

            Chris,
            Good to hear you got the new extended mag back from Sig. You should expect the extended mags to operate exactly like the flush mags. Just my thoughts/guess on the FTEs you’re experiencing could be you’re putting excessive pressure or over-gripping the pistol and maybe you’re pinky is pushing down on the mag as you’re shooting and there’s just enough play between the mag release and where it sits in the magazine cutout that you’re pulling down on the mag just enough to cause and repeat the malfunction. Again, this is just my “from left field guess”. Try relaxing your grip and do some shooting and see what happens. If you talk to Sig they’ll say you shouldn’t shoot 115gr through the gun, but I do all the time. Take some of that 115gr ammo, relax your grip, especially on the magazine and see what happens.
            V/R,
            PJ

          • PJSeptember 22, 2013 at 18:37 #

            Chris,
            Just following up to see if you’re still having any issues with the extended mags?
            V/R,
            PJ

  7. DerekJune 1, 2013 at 09:30 #

    Good review, but the “misfit toys” notion of serial #’s 8899 and lower is incorrect. I, and a significant number of relatively recent 938 owners, have pistols manufactured between mid-January 2013 and mid-April 2013 with serial #’s in the 6000′s range (with zero issues with 115, 124, 135, and 147). There is not a serial number correlation with problems, only a manufacture date relationship.

    • PJJune 1, 2013 at 18:40 #

      Derek,
      Thanks for the additional info. I’m going to contact Sig again and see if I can get anymore answers out of them. It’s very odd that I have a late manufacture date (late DEC 2012) with a serial# just a shade under 40,000. One would think that the manufacture date would coincide with increasing serial numbers. I wonder how you and the shooters you know have such late manufacture dates beyond mine with such low serial#s? Maybe it’s a completely different product line when the new year started, which is not uncommon. What does your serial# start with? All the ones for 2012 should start with “52A0″ followed by the actual serial#. Mine starts with 52A0. If yours is different then that would explain the discrepancy. My P229R-DAKR, personal and duty (yes I have two) have different serial# prefixes and were built in different years. Please let me know and I can swiftly correct my article to note serial# prefixes between 2012 and 2013 product lines. Again, I’ll also reach out to Sig again for additional assistance. Thank you again and I hope to hear from you soon.
      V/R,
      PJ

  8. Col. BenJune 4, 2013 at 14:40 #

    PJ,

    What a thoughtful, thorough, cogent and insightful review! I appreciate the care and responsible attitude you displayed in the information you shared.

    I took delivery of my P938 in Sept or Oct of 2012. Checked my Serial #– relieved to find it is 2XXXX! I have never had a function issue of any kind. Every time I pull the trigger she goes “bang”! I have 4 Sig’s and they are all extremely reliable.

    One question: Did you notice if your groups tightened up as you broke your gun in? If so, after how many rounds, approximately?

    Thanks,

    Col. Ben

    • PJJune 4, 2013 at 23:45 #

      Col. Ben,
      Thank you very much for your comments. I’ve recently received a comment about the serial numbers that were the problems. Just above you’ll read the post and my response. But with your production date and serial#, it only solidifies my suspicions that Sig does in fact change there serial# prefixes at the first of each calendar year. Because mine was made in late DEC 2012 with a serial# of 3XXXX, which makes perfect sense. I’m happy to hear that your Sig is rockin’ & rollin’. I expect nothing less from Sig, as I safely assume you do since you have four Sigs already. As you can see from the article I’m a Sig-man myself. I’m just hoping one day to win one of those pistols they giveaway every month…..wishful thinking I know.

      Now getting to your question: I, in fact did notice my groups tightening up as I broke in the gun. In the beginning, each of my first shots, regardless of distance or rounds, seemed to be a bit high from where I was holding my sights. My follow-on shots had no rise like that first round and hit directly where I was holding my sights. I actually have researched several other reviews and this seems to be a common theme during the “break-in”. After approximately 250rds, this no longer happened. I believe the solution was 2-pronged. The first part is breaking in the gun and barrel and the second part is simply getting used to the gun. As you know being a highly effective shooter is having the mentality that a firearm is part of you when you’re shooting, or as many instructors say, visualize the gun is an extension of your arm/hand. So as you continue to put rounds downrange, you’re going to break-in the gun and build specific confidence for this platform.

      In short, I would give it a minimum of 250rds for a proper break-in period, with at least 50rds being your intended carry rounds. I hope this helps Colonel.
      V/R,
      PJ

  9. Mark ParcellJune 5, 2013 at 20:23 #

    I am a bit confused with the reference to the ammo. Please help me understand your point. You seem to be saying that the 124 and 147 grain ammo was probably the culprit on a problem gun. I purchased my Rosewood P938 right after Christmas, 2012 with a number of 52AO3XXXX. On the very first trip to the range and on the 73rd round (115gr), the gun started shedding parts on the bench top. The firing pin plate, firing pin and spring all came out of the gun. I sent it back to Sig and, of course, they repaired, tested and sent it back to me. The Sig rep very specifically told me to NOT USE 115gr ammo and stated that I should be using 124gr ammo. For various reasons I no longer have the gun, but am considering getting another.

    Thanks in advance for your help. Mark

    • PJJune 7, 2013 at 17:06 #

      Mark,
      That really sucks that your gun, especially a Sig, operated so poorly and catastrophically at that. I would have been pissed, as I’m sure you were. But it sounds like Sig took care of you, which is expected. It looks like our guns were made at the same time as my serial# is very close to yours and my manufacture date was just a few days after Christmas as well. Mine is the Black Rubber Grip variant, or what some refer to as the “Blackout” model. To date I’ve had no issues and I’m pushing close to 1,500 rounds through it already. I have OCD when it comes to cleaning and inspecting my firearms. I clean them regardless if 1 or 100 rounds are fired as soon as I get home. But I’ll be certain to pay extra attention to the areas you had those problems with.

      Sorry for the confusion. The culprit was not the ammo, but the P238 parts Sig attempted to export into the P938 frame. It was a failure and cost them a lot of money. I recommend 124gr and 147gr. I recently chatted with a Sig rep and they told the gun was not intended to operate with 115gr ammo. The enhanced recoil spring is intended to have a higher grain ammo. So you are in fact correct. I still shoot 115gr Federal range ammo (white box) and have never had any issues…..no FTEs, FTFs, or shedding of parts. But my carry ammo is 147gr Winchester T-Series JHPs or Federal HSTs (preferred). HSTs are relatively new and are essentially the old school Black Talons.

      I hope this helps and clears up any confusion.
      V/R,
      PJ

    • DaveJune 13, 2013 at 17:10 #

      Love the gun and found this review because I am in serious consideration on a purchase, but I’m hesitant to buy a weapon that seems to be so finicky with ammo (124 grain +).

      • PJJune 13, 2013 at 22:46 #

        Dave,
        I don’t think it’s finicky with ammo at all. I’ve shot everything from the cheapest 115gr range ball ammo I could buy, to the most expensive 147gr JHP self-defense ammo, and everything in between. The problems I encountered was with some 115gr HSM reloads. The ammo that I had the FTFs on I also tried to shoot through my Glock 26 without success. So finicky, not at all. I believe a gun should be able to shoot all ammo of it’s designated caliber. From time to time I hear some shooters, primarily high-end 1911 shooters, that profess their gun is only designed for “high-end” ammo and cheap ammo doesn’t work. Well that may be the case, but I can say that gun is not really for me. Good luck with your choice and I hope this helped.
        V/R,
        PJ

  10. Jim MorrisJune 6, 2013 at 15:03 #

    Hey PJ, I found HSTs in 9 and .45 at luckygunner.com.

    • PJJune 7, 2013 at 16:55 #

      Jim,
      Awesome! I just ordered some. Thanks for sharing your find.
      PJ

      • Jim MorrisJune 7, 2013 at 20:37 #

        My pleasure. We shooters have to share info. I’m still amazed with the 938, primarily I guess because I am a 1911 freak. Making a pocket rocket on 1911 frame was a stroke of genius.

        J

        • PJJune 10, 2013 at 17:00 #

          Jim,
          In fact we do and I truly appreciate it! I’m surprised it took a company this long to come out with a “1911-like” frame in a pocket pistol. You would figure companies would know 1911 shooters would be all over it. I guess some companies kind of tried by making compact and sub-compact 1911 frames, such as from Kimber and Para Ordnance, but those still big and heavy, and chambered in .45ACP. I don’t like or recommend 9mm for a duty carry caliber, but in this capacity of a pocket pistol, there’s nothing better. It’s light with great ballistics, and easy to handle and shoot. Enjoy the rest of your week.
          V/R,
          PJ

  11. Jason BostickJune 7, 2013 at 12:57 #

    Excellent Review PJ,

    I purchased my 938 Nightmare back in late November 2012 (serial 15xxx) and with the exception of 2 FTF on some S&B 115gr rnds (the both fired with asecond drop of the hammer) it has been flawless through 600rnds. I don’t know if S&B is known to have a hard primer or not, but i’ve run HSM, Independance,Gecko, American Eagle, Monarch and my carry ammo 147gr Goden Sabre through it without a hitch.

    I know 147gr is known to be subsonic, but i was surprised how soft shooting it was through the pistol. Maybe it’s the Hogue grips i installed.

    Keep up the good work!

    • PJJune 7, 2013 at 17:12 #

      Jason,
      I’m happy to hear your gun is virtually flawless. It sounds like it was an ammo problem with S&B. S&B has flooded to market. I remember 10 years ago it was considered a substandard ammo. But now if you can get your hands on anything you’re lucky. Lead is worth more than gold today. I too carry 147gr ammo. Right now I’m using Winchester T-Series JHPs. I’m just waiting for some Federal HSTs to come in that I recently ordered. HSTs in my opinion are the best performing ammo overall. From how it operates in your gun to its ballistics.

      I have the Black Rubber Grip or “Blackout” variant. The all metal gun coupled with the Hogue rubber grips take up a lot of the recoil from the 147gr ammo. I can hardly tell the difference going from 115gr to 147gr.

      Thanks for you comments and come back often. Be safe out there!
      V/R,
      PJ

  12. Mark ParcellJune 9, 2013 at 21:10 #

    After seeing a few of the other guns I was considering and having decided they weren’t right for me, I went out on the hunt for a new P938. One store had the AG model which was last on my list and so did not buy it (Serial #52AO6XXXX). The next store had two models, an Extreme and a Rosewood, but with very interesting serial numbers. I asked the salesman how long they had had them in the store and he stated that they had just arrived. But the serial #’s were odd – 52AO1XXXX and 52AO2XXXX both with the last four digits below 8899. I steered completely clear of both. It sure seems strange that they were fresh in the store, unless the salesman was less than honest about it. I would have thought that those low numbers would have been sold ages ago.

    • PJJune 10, 2013 at 16:54 #

      Mark,
      Yea don’t settle on a gun that isn’t tops on your list. The AG variant was bottom of my list as well. Guns are like cars and women in a sense, don’t settle on the one until it’s really what you want or you’re not going to be happy! The two P938s that were tops on my list were the Rubber Grip/Blackout and the Rosewood. Which ever one of those that I happened upon first was going to be mine. It just so happened to be the Blackout and I’m very happy with it as you can see from my review.

      Sig’s serial numbers seem a bit weird. As you can see above from Derek, he pointed out some inconsistencies with the serial numbers. I reached out to Sig again with no response as of yet. It typically takes them a few weeks to return calls and/or emails. They are overwhelmed with requests like every firearms and ammo manufacturer since “one too many” terrible mass shootings. Hopefully sooner than late if and when it does occur again, there’s a citizen with a CCW that quickly puts an end to it before a rampage begins. I’ll get off my pedestal because I’m certain we could talk about this non-stop.

      But looking at the serial numbers you came across, I’m thinking maybe these are guns that were on the market and sent back to Sig before they were ever sold so they could get the enhanced parts upgrades. Just my opinion and thoughts. You should ask the dealer the history on the guns to see if they’ve been sent back to Sig. Also, do you know what the actual manufacturer dates were? But looking at those serial numbers, they should be good to go. The prefix should be “52A0″ that next number, which you said were “1″ and the other was “2″ is actually the first digit for the number of the specific gun. So one should be in the 10,XXX and the other in the 20,XXX. Let me know the manufacture dates and I can give you a definitive answer. Just ask to see the hard plastic Sig case the gun comes in and the date will be right on sticker on the side of the box next to the serial#. I hope this helps.
      V/R,
      PJ

  13. MichelleJune 12, 2013 at 11:43 #

    PJ,

    Thank you for the awesome review. I will be the token newbie to ring in on the discussion. I recently relocated to Alaska as a single woman to teach and have repeatedly been told (by everyone) that I needed to secure something for personal defense. I recently purchased a P938 as my very first handgun, per a friend’s recommendation, and your review cemented my positive feelings about it.

    I have been to the range once with this gun and found that it performed very well and I improved greatly with it over the course of 60 rounds. I am looking into a CC firearms course (very respectful of my inexperience) and look forward to continued practice with this gun.

    I am curious, do you carry and workout, and if so, how? I run, and am looking into various running/exercise/holster options for the P938, as I am not always able to find a running partner for my longer runs.

    Again, thanks for the great review!

    Michelle

    • Jim MorrisJune 12, 2013 at 17:10 #

      Michelle:
      You will love it. Both your groups and trigger will improve with time. Try to find 7 round mag. I found them on EBay. They are pricey but everything else is as well.
      PJ recommended Federal 145 grain HSTs for defense. Luckygunner.com has them in stock.
      Stay safe up there!

      Jim

      • PJJune 13, 2013 at 23:10 #

        Michelle,
        Jim is spot on. You should try to get the extended mags. They extend just enough to give your pinky adequate room and you get an extra round. Again, it’s another Sig product that’s a bit pricey ($49.99ea), but worth every cent. I personally prefer Federal brand ammo. They make the two carry ammos that I prefer, the Hydra-Shoks (124gr) and the HSTs (147gr) as Jim said.
        V/R,
        PJ

    • PJJune 13, 2013 at 23:05 #

      Michelle,
      You’re very welcome. I’m glad to hear you found it helpful. There’s no newbies here, we’re all just shooters and you’re part of the club! It sounds like you’re enjoying a really great firearm as I have with my P938. Sig is one tops on my list when it comes to pistols, as it is my duty firearm (P229R-DAK chambered in .40S&W), and I typically turn to my P938 for concealed carry due to it’s lightweight, firepower, conceal-ability.

      I agree 100% with the people that advised you to secure a firearm for self-defense. Here’s my motto when it comes to firearms. I’d rather have it and not need, than need it and not have it. Now that takes us into you question about carrying and working out. Of course as you stated running with a partner is always best, but we know that’s not always going to happen.

      For me personally, I do carry from time to time when I run. I use a 5.11 COVRT backpack. I have never run with a holster but they do make holsters specifically fun running. Let me do some research and see what I can find out for you. Another option is the good old 80s fanny packs. They make fanny packs that have holsters already integrated into them, or you could just buy one you like and put the gun in a standard holster and throw it in the pouch. But I recommend the 5.11 COVRT backpacks. They come in some different sizes and are designed to integrate a holster and remain secure even while running. Here’s the link to the backpacks, but they also make their own fanny pack as part of their COVRT line of gear. http://www.511tactical.com/All-Products/Bags-Backpacks/COVRT.html

      I hope this helps and I’ll see what additional info I can track down on other systems designed for running and carrying…..two pretty much kick a$$ activities everyone should partake in. Keep enjoying your gun, you made a smart purchase and worth every dollar. When it comes to gun, you literally get what you pay for and with Sig, you’re getting the best.
      V/R,
      PJ

  14. MichelleJune 14, 2013 at 12:41 #

    Thanks PJ, Jim,

    CC permit class is set up, and I’m thinking range membership is coming too. I know most of the people to read this are likely guys, but I’ll share the links to the holsters I’m going to try out for running.

    http://www.undertechundercover.com/index.php/concealed-carry.html

    and

    http://www.pistolwear.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=ia1321496070781

    Hopefully one of these will work out well. I, like one of the posters above, found the P938 AG with laser sight, Hogue grips, 6 & 7 round magazines in case for a good price. Living in AK makes it tough to find ammo, if they are out, since much of the lower 48 won’t ship up here. Luckily, one of my local gun shops carries Federal Premium 124 hydroshok, and American Eagle 115 for practice.

    I am incredibly pleased thus far and now look forward to the CC class, increased practice, and new gear to come in.

    Thank you for the responses!
    Michelle

    • PJJune 14, 2013 at 17:37 #

      Michelle,
      You are making a great choice with taking the CCW class. As you know the state of AK (at least to my knowledge) does not require an actual permit to CC. Anyone that’s of age to purchase/own a pistol can CC. So most people just buy a pistol and never take a single class. They often times fail to realize the responsibility and safety concerns that come with CC. Most CC classes will cover everything from the basic weapons safety rules, to how to carry, draw, and shoot from CC, to the legalities that come with self-defense and the lawful use of deadly force. You’re going to learn a lot and it’s going to be worth the time you spend there.

      Great ammo choice too. I routinely switch back and forth among Federal HSTs (147gr), to Federal Hydra-Shoks (124gr), to Winchester T-Series (147gr). But the Hydra-Shoks are a fantastic choice and great self-defense round. I also use Federal American Eagle 115gr for my practice rounds. It’s a reliable round.

      Those links are some great options for incorporating CC in physical fitness. I couldn’t have done better myself. It appears you’re truly enjoying being a responsible gun owner. It’s a great sport and hobby to have. Keep us posted on how the class goes and how your skills progress. Never forget that shooting is a perishable skill set. I recommend hitting the range (and getting a membership) at least once a month. You don’t have to spend a lot, maybe 50rds just to stay proficient, confident, and frosty!
      V/R,
      PJ

  15. rayJune 15, 2013 at 21:14 #

    i just got the 938 a week ago. i’ve waited about a month for it to come in to the gun shop. i own 3 sigs the 238 and 250 40 s&w, i love them all but i got the 938 for my carry weapon the size is perfect and like you said you forget you have it with you.

    • PJJune 16, 2013 at 13:49 #

      Ray,
      It was well worth the wait, and given today’s firearms climate a month is actually not bad at all. But a lot of people would have bought another gun because they didn’t want to wait and likely had some level of buyer’s remorse because they didn’t wait for the P938. I love my Sigs as well. There’s not a better pistol on the market, in my opinion of course. You’re going to enjoy the upgrade from the P238 to the P938. The size, caliber, feel, conceal-ability, and operation. As you stated and have found out, it’s the perfect CCW weapon and you forget you’re carrying it at times because it’s so light, slim, and easy to wear. Though I’m a Sig-man myself, they do have some guns that I don’t prefer. One is the P250. I love DAO/DAK firearms, but something about the P250′s trigger travel is less than desirable. I like longer trigger pulls, but the P250 is just too much, even for shooting under duress/stress in self-defense situations. But we’re all different shooters and have our own preferences. What’s your overall opinion of the P250?
      V/R,
      PJ

  16. patriothikerJune 17, 2013 at 16:48 #

    I have just placed my order with Sig for the P938 Black Rubber Grip. I have been searching for the right 9mm for cc for 6 months.. I have a Lt Wt Commander .45 that I find too heavy for cc although I really love the pistol. I am looking forward to shooting this pistol. I don’t know why it took me so long to find this as I live right next door to Sig. :) The Academy price is $740.70. Nice deal. If I take a course at Sig for $200 I can receive the pistol for $658.40 plus the knowledge of the course. Guess I gotta get over there more often.

    This review sealed any concerns I may have had and sent me down the street to order today. Could be 2 weeks, could be 3 months, but I will wait. Thanks!

    • PJJune 17, 2013 at 18:41 #

      Michael,
      You’ve made a great choice with the P938, especially the Black Rubber Grip variant. This is the one that I have and I love it. I was going on about a year of looking for the right 9mm CC. Then I heard Sig was introducing a 9mm pocket pistol that was different than the P290. It was well worth the wait. That’s a great price too. Yea, why did it take so long since you’re in Exeter?! Just kidding….it was because “your” P938 wasn’t born yet. The training sounds like a good deal too. I love training because you fight the way you train. Chris’ mantra has always been “get what you want out of training”. That says it all.

      I’m happy that my review help with your decision. What type of ammo (training and self-defense) do you plan on pushing through it? Enjoy the new firearm.
      V/R,
      PJ

      • patriothikerJune 18, 2013 at 04:49 #

        Thanks for the reply PJ. Ammo as you know has been tough to get, but on occasion I am able to buy 124 grain fmj both in the American Eagle and the Luger. I have been buying it he past few months in anticipation that I would be buying a 9mm. When I can get it, the price has been good. 14.95 per box of 50. Online sites are charging 37.95 for the same. Outrageous!

        By all means provide me with some recommendations on training ammo and carry ammo.

        No offense on the ‘taking so long” jab. :) Yeh, I did live in Exeter, now Stratham with Sig also having a plant in Portsmouth. (the former Pease Air Base now Tradeport) The Academy is in Epping all of which are no more than 15 minutes away. Definately going to attend some classes. A bit pricey for my consumption but will suck it up. I belong to a club that creates scenario shooting and tac practice at least once a month.
        Mike

        • patriothikerJune 18, 2013 at 11:27 #

          For those following these threads,…..even though Sig now calls the P938 “Black Rubber Grip” on their website, it is tagged as the “Blackout” in the store. I have a picture but do not know how to attach it here.

    • MikeFebruary 23, 2014 at 12:05 #

      Sig’s lead time on the order was over 3 months so I looked online. I did find 2 blackouts online for $599 each. No CC fees, no shipping. Great deal. That broker now wants $750, cc fees and shipping but is out of stock. Great timing in July of 2013. Have shot 500 rounds through one pistol without cleaning before 1 fte. I carry mine with the extended 7 round mag, cocked & locked. I use the slim small polymer owb holster that Sig provides with a loose shirt. I prefer owb over iwb for comfort. I feel the safety is a bit stiff and will visit Sig (I am local) to see if they will gunsmith it for a smoother transition.

  17. AllenJune 29, 2013 at 22:46 #

    It appears the confusion above was due to a counting error. The original was only looking at thr last four digits. Id bet money he meant to say serial numbers in the 60,000 range…..not 6,000. I have one of these and and if you change his post to read 60,000 rather than 6,000, the inconsistency goes completely away.

    Now to my main post, just picked up the “extreme” model in georgia for $679.00. Comes with one 6rd and one 7rd mag. It has sig light night sites on it and serratioms on both the front AND the rear of the slide. From looking at pictures, not all models have the front serrations. The equinox was the same price but only came with one mag and i really wanted sig lights on front and back rather than the fiber optic front site rear sig light combo that comes on the equinox. Too bad as i like the styling on the equinox better but being as i plan to daily carry this….couldnt see paying for appearance over functionality (and too cheap to change out the sites amd buy a mag on top of the $679.)

    Two final thoughts, it looks great sitting next to my sig p229 w crimson trace grips in 9mm (my “night stand gun”) and….ugghh. I was happy i ended up with two guns that shoot the same caliber but…. this gun makes me miss my. 45.

    Now accepting funds for the “buy Allen an STI Trojan” fund…… ;)

    Now about this “sig says dont shoot 115gr”…..is that for real? All the cheap practice range ammo ive been buying is 115gr and i have date with the shooting range this week……

    • PJJuly 3, 2013 at 23:12 #

      Allen,

      Sounds like the most reasonable answer being what you said, a counting error. I was actually looking for the “Extreme” variant myself when I came across the “Black Rubber Grip” or what’s now known as the “Blackout”.

      Yea the P938 is a great gun. Sig has a great and rich history of manufacturing fine weapons, with just a few exceptions in my opinion. As far as Sig telling people not to shoot 115gr ammo, well this could a few things, but I venture to guess it was in an effort to remedy the FTE problem when the P938 first hit the market. I’m thinking they figured the FTEs were being caused by low-grade, possibly underpowered range ammo, which all range ammo comes in either 115gr or 124gr for the most part. So by telling people they “recommend” only shooting high-grade premium ammo, it would remedy the FTEs. Ultimately they recalled a lot of guns and fixed the real problems causing the FTEs. They added the enhanced extractor and guide rod spring, which seems to have done the trick.

      I have never had any issues except shooting some truly sub-standard reloads from a certain manufacturer out of Montana state.

      V/R,
      PJ

  18. MichaelJuly 3, 2013 at 07:09 #

    I am interested in the p938, thus reading through your article. Your grade of an A for a pistol that had 12 FTE is interesting. Given some semi-auto pistols can easily run that many rounds without a single failure. Are you chalking it up to poor ammo? Were the FTE on both magazines?

    I carry a Sig P238, and with one magazine I’ve never had a failure of any kind. With my extended 7 round magazine, I regularly get a stove pipe jam on the last round. This magazine is problematic and should probably be returned to Sig, given how expensive they are.

    Hope you get your P938 to 100% reliability. Please consider a follow up article after you get more rounds on it. Thanks for the article.

    • PJJuly 3, 2013 at 23:34 #

      Michael,

      Thanks for the comments and I understand your concerns. The FTEs all came from sub-standard ammo. Ten of them were with the HSM 115gr and the other two were with the Magtech 115gr. HSM only sells reloads and Magtech isn’t exactly the best range ammo. I have had similar problems with these two types of ammo with my Glock 26. After I experienced the FTEs with these particular ammos, I later put some through my Glock 26 with the FTEs repeating. I would not normally use HSM or Magtech for my personal practice ammo, but I wanted to put as many kinds of ammo through the P938 as possible from the lowest to highest grade. So yes I would attribute the FTEs to the specific ammo and not the gun.

      I already consider my Sig 100% reliable as the low-grade was the issue. Since the review I’ve put an additional 250 rounds downrange with no issues. But the ammo used was all Federal and Winchester high-grade carry ammo (124gr and 147gr). But I am going to put even more rounds downrange (including 115gr cheap stuff). Don’t forget too that I shot 1,200 rounds in total for the initial review, which is about 1,100 to 1,150 rounds more than most guys do on the web when they critique a gun. I would not be comfortable talking about a firearm until I at a minimum sent 1K rounds downrange. It would be like driving a brand new car off the lot, going around the block once, then parking it, and writing an in depth review. But I will be more than happy to follow-up in the coming weeks when I clear the 2K mark, which is quite a bit for a weapon this size.

      You should pull the trigger and get the P938, you’ll love it!

      V/R,
      PJ

      • MichaelJuly 5, 2013 at 11:13 #

        PJ, Thank you for the reply! I’m impressed to see the number of replies you have made on this article. The P938 is next on my BUY list. Thanks for the excellent article, and for sharing your experience!

        • PJAugust 1, 2013 at 20:02 #

          Michael,
          No worries at all. I enjoyed reviewing this gun. Plus it was my excuse to my wife so I could buy the gun. It worked….this time.
          V/R,
          PJ

  19. Jim MorrisJuly 6, 2013 at 05:57 #

    Folks:
    I have put another 100 rds of 115 grain reloads and 14 rds of Fed HST through my rosewood. Still not a single FTL or FTE. this weapon is fricking awesome. On ammo issue, I invite all to consider reloading. It’s not that complicated and is fun. An expensive Lee turret loader works great.

    PJ, would u consider changing background color of your posts? Hard to read for my 59yo eyes.

    Stay safe!

    • PJAugust 1, 2013 at 20:01 #

      Jim,
      Sorry I’ve been forward with my unit doing our Tier 1 workups. Good to hear your P938 is rocking and rolling just like mine. I’ll talk with Chris about the background color on the posts. He’s the website guru. I’m training with him next week so I’ll bring it up. Talk to you soon.
      V/R,
      PJ

  20. JohnAugust 1, 2013 at 15:29 #

    great write up. I have shot all kinds of pistols but I only own Sigs. I just like them, I don’t know how else to put it. I recently bought a P938 AG. My P239 was just to big to throw in a pocket and go to the store. Anyway…. I thought I’d weigh in on this whole serial # thing. Mine is 52A023XXX and the date manufactured is 5/3/2013. this has me completely confused??? I would think the # would be higher from the thread above. Haven’t shot it yet. I hope it is like all my other sigs, flawless.

    • PJAugust 1, 2013 at 19:50 #

      John,
      Thanks for the comments and I hope you enjoy your new Sig addition. I wouldn’t worry about the serial#. It appears it comes down to the manufacture date, which yours was early May of this year. So it already has the “enhanced” parts. Let us know how it fires.
      V/R,
      PJ

      • JohnAugust 7, 2013 at 14:58 #

        I put 200 rounds through it this weekend. 150 rounds of 115 gr and 50 rounds of 147 gr. It ate them up, no problems at all. From reading all the reviews and through my personal experience, I would say sig has figured out and fixed whatever problems they were having with the P938. Now that I have shot it and it proved it works, it lives in my pocket.

    • FastOctober 8, 2013 at 20:18 #

      Just got my sig p938 sas dated 10-01-2013 here’s the strange part my serial is 52B0 04xxx what does the B mean did they change something in production?

      • PJOctober 20, 2013 at 11:15 #

        Fast,
        The “B” could mean anything. Serial numbers on firearms can be confusing and trying to decipher them can just blow your mind. They could have made some minor modification and updated the serial number string from “52A” to “52B”. I would not even worry about it.
        V/R,
        PJ

  21. Tom OAugust 4, 2013 at 12:50 #

    Thank you for your review. I went to the local Bass Pro today with the intention of looking/researching a pocket carry .380. As I made my way down the case the Sig P938 Equinox caught my eye. The gun was gorgeous and only slightly larger than those in the.380 range. Not being able to get internet signal I went back out the car to research reviews and price. I found yours extremely helpful. I purchased a gun with a 6/13 production date. I was able to get 10% off by opening a Bass Pro account, and get this. Bass Pro was participating in Missouri’s sales tax free weekend. Back to School Special my buddy called it. Purchased my P938 for well under $650. Can wait to get out to the range.

  22. MichaelAugust 10, 2013 at 18:38 #

    I traveled to a gun shop today and saw many P938′s on the tables. My wife was with me and we have been looking for her a .380 that is easy to “rack the slide”. As soon as she picked up the P238 and racked the slide, she knew it was the one she wanted. However, while she was scoping out the P238, I had my eye on a beautiful P938. We purchased her .380 and then quickly left the show. She was so excited to finally find a gun that she could work and yes I was thrilled as well, but I must say that I was a tad bit jealous… I wanted the P938 so badly! When I got home, I got online and found this review. It has definitely been helpful and I am excited to say that I am going back to the gun show to buy it tomorrow! Thanks for the review.

    • PJSeptember 22, 2013 at 18:35 #

      Michael,
      Maybe you could sway her with the ballistics between a .380 and 9mm. But it already sounds like the 238 is “hers” and I hope you got your hands on your 938. It’s such a great gun and an upgrade to the 238 frame/size and to the .380ACP. Personally I wouldn’t recommend anything smaller than a 9mm round for personal defense. I also feel that the recoil is less on the 938 than the 238, but that’s just me. Good luck in your search for “your” P938.
      V/R,
      PJ

  23. AnonymousAugust 22, 2013 at 06:22 #

    Love mine

  24. GilbertSeptember 19, 2013 at 09:00 #

    I appreciate the thorough review. I found a 938 at a reputable gun shop here in town for $599…I jumped on it. It came with the laser and 2 mags. My first time out at the range was cut short, I only got 100 rounds off…no problems. I am going back this weekend to get off another 150 rounds through. I am really happy with this weapon, especially the price.

    • PJSeptember 22, 2013 at 18:18 #

      Gilbert,
      Sorry for the delay, but I’ve been out of the “office”. You scored a great deal with $599, a laser, and two mags. Actually 100rds is a good day with micro/pocket 9mm. I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying your new addition so much. Just make sure you put a few mags of your preferred carry ammo downrange. Let me know how it goes.
      V/R,
      PJ

  25. tom andersonSeptember 26, 2013 at 17:22 #

    The prices have come down a bit. I just picked up the black rubber grip with the fiber optic front sight and nite rear sight. It’s labeled the sport. Paid 559 + tax in Idaho. 1-six and 1- 7 round mag , plastic belt holster , lock and case.

    • PJSeptember 29, 2013 at 18:10 #

      Tom,
      Sounds like you scored as well. I also have the BRG version, but I also have the full-set/full-size nights sights, which I enjoy immensely. They are the same exact sights on my duty P229R-DAK. Aside from distance between front and rear sights between the two different frames, the sight picture is relatively the same. I hope you enjoy your new pistol.
      V/R,
      PJ

  26. LarrySeptember 26, 2013 at 17:22 #

    Went to my local gun shop yesturday with every intintion of buying a shield but walked out with a p938 sas. After reading all the reviews I can’t wait to get to the range with it. I spent more than I intended not because of sales pressure but because of pure feel and quality. This is the first hand gun I’ve ever own that’s not a Smith and Wesson. I think I made the right choice. Buy the way I paid $707.00 for the sas model with a extended clip thrown in

    • PJSeptember 26, 2013 at 19:37 #

      Larry,
      You made the right choice. Plus it’s always nice to own firearms from different manufacturers. Change is good and different companies offer different things for today’s shooters. You wouldn’t have gone wrong with either gun….P938 or the Shield. I’m only assuming you were looking for a conceal carry firearm and they both would have brought you piece of mind in the worst of situations. But…and there’s always a but, I feel the P938 is currently the best 9mm micro-compact or pocket pistol on the market today. There’s a reason why elite military units carry a Sig as their secondary weapons system. I am personally at one of those units now and carry the Sig P229R-DAK (chambered in .40) as my secondary weapons system. Paying $707, with an extended magazine is a great price…..you did well. Keep us posted and you shoot and make your way through the break-in period of your P938.
      V/R,
      PJ

  27. Don CovellOctober 4, 2013 at 07:41 #

    Great review,I purchased a Blackwood model The only issues I had were some very sharp spots on both lower corners on the trigger / Since the trigger is composit some lite file work took care of the problem. Kudos to Sig for another great pistole

    • PJOctober 20, 2013 at 11:26 #

      Don,
      Sorry for the delay, but I’m currently away for training back in VA. Thanks for taking the time to read our article on the P938. I like the way the Blackwood looks. Sig did a great job with the aesthetics of all the models. Yea the trigger can be a bit rough or sharp, but it sounds like you took care of it. Obviously I concur with Sig bringing another superior firearm to the market. Enjoy that badboy!
      V/R,
      PJ

  28. ErikOctober 9, 2013 at 12:30 #

    What a great, encouraging, and thorough review! Reading it (and all the comments) led me to the rest of your website, and I didn’t get a dang thing done at work today as a result…

    I’ve been carrying my old P228 for a long, long time. While I have absolute faith in the pistol, I feel it’s time to go a bit more minimalist. I’m a bit concerned about moving to a gun with a different trigger and an external safety, but with enough rounds and practice, I’m confident the P938 will fit the bill for me.

    Anyhow, after all the serial number confusion, and the seriousness regarding reliability of a defensive firearm like this, would it be possible to post comparison parts photographs showing the P238 / P938 components at issue? If the different parts are accessible, and obvious enough to differentiate to the naked eye, it may be simpler than decoding the SN?

    • PJOctober 20, 2013 at 11:14 #

      Erik,
      Thanks for the comments and we appreciate you taking the time going through all of our information and posts. The P228 is a great pistol, but you’re going to love the P938 as a CCW pistol. I virtually forget that I’m wearing it. Like anything else, you should take your time with the new trigger before you “put it into service” for yourself. Not only should you fire at least 300 rounds as a proper “break-in” period for it, but you should dry-fire the gun at least 10-15 minutes a day. Dry-firing is some of the best training you can do yourself. Don’t forget to ensure it’s downloaded, clear and safe, before you dry-fire. I know it sounds like common sense, but most firearms mishaps occur because people think their firearm is unloaded. Never forget Rule #1 of firearms safety: Treat every firearm as if it was loaded! Enjoy your new firearm and train, train, train….then do more training.
      V/R,
      PJ

  29. RonOctober 12, 2013 at 12:03 #

    Bought the Sig P938 on Thursday and took to firing range on Friday. I put around 250 rounds of PMC Bronze, American Eagle FMJ, Independence FMJ and Winchester FMJ (all 115 grain). I also fired Hornady self defence, also 115 grain. The weapon performed flawlessly and had one FTE (and I think that was my fault). The pistol is accurate and after this many rounds, I had no fatigue or soreness in my hand. This a a very nice weapon and performs like you would expect from a Sig.

    • PJOctober 20, 2013 at 11:05 #

      Ron,
      Great purchase with your P938. You’re really going to enjoy this gun. One FTE from your initial 250 rounds isn’t anything to be worried about. Sig recommends somewhere around 250 to 350 rounds as a “proper” break-in” period for a brand new firearm. FTEs can come from anything, but typically can be deduced to debris between the tiny space between the extractor and breach face (where firing pin strikes the primer), or the spot on the casing where the extractor grabs the round. It could be many other things, but only one is nothing to worry about. I had no fatigue either after shooting my gun. Enjoy your new Sig.
      V/R,
      PJ

  30. Jean-PierreOctober 19, 2013 at 08:10 #

    Well, our house was broken into in the middle of the night last weekend, so my natural response was to go buy a gun. Luckily our dogs scared the intruder off. I never saw anyone, but in the morning, my wife’s purse was gone. He must have come through the dog door. I grew up with guns, but didn’t want one in my house until my naturally curious kids were alittle older. Luckily, we had a gun show here in Indy yesterday and today, so I went to buy a gun. I wanted something compact, sleek, and with stopping power. I looked at pretty much everything, and the Sig P938 is what jumped out at me the most. Knowing Sig’s excellent reputation, but not knowing about the early manufacture issues, I went ahead and bought my first gun as an adult. This thing is just perfect; feels great in my hand, and looks beautiful. I got it for $600, then bought an extended mag clip for $49. I bought Winchester 115 gr FMJ for practice, and Winchester PDX1 Defender JHP for home defense. I am going to take this out for practice today with a friend. Thank you for your review, it confirmed that I luckily stumbled upon a great gun.

    • PJOctober 20, 2013 at 10:57 #

      Jean-Pierre,
      I’m sorry to hear about the break-in but happy to hear your family and you are ok. You were very lucky that all the perpetrator(s) took was your wife’s purse. You made a great purchase with the P938. Do you plan on using your P938 for only home defense or also for future concealed carry?
      V/R,
      PJ

      • Jean-PierreOctober 21, 2013 at 04:21 #

        Thank you for the reply. We are lucky that all that was taken was a purse. Thank God for our wonderful dogs for scaring off the intruder. AT this point, I am planning on learning properly how to use this gun and get comfortable with it. When I have achieved these goals, then I will consider carrying it as a concealed weapon. I shot it this weekend, and I clearly need to spend a lot more time with it. My 14 year old and 12 year old sons outperformed me from 7 and 15 yards (must be the video games).

  31. KoobiidoobiiNovember 1, 2013 at 15:03 #

    Went to the range today and asked the guy to recommend a small gun for cc. Without hesitation, he pointed to the P938. I have a Kahr CW9 for CC. What a difference…the Sig was so accurate and easy to shoot. I know what my next pistol will be!!

  32. RobbyNovember 9, 2013 at 12:11 #

    Just bought my wife a new Sid P938 SAS last week took it to the range it sprayed shots mostly to the left but never to the point of aim. Also shot a P238 where I could keep all shots grouped close and to the point of aim. When I went to clean the 938 with the guide rod out the barrel jams in the frame. I almost had to take a mallet to get it out. After freeing it up there seems to be a lot of play on the hood end of the barrel. The manufacture date was 04 Sept 2013 sn# 52A085xxx. She really likes the gun if we can get it to shoot straight. Have you seen this trouble before?

  33. Jean-PierreNovember 10, 2013 at 07:00 #

    I just took my P938 back to the range for a second time. I am slowly getting better with this gun. I love the way it looks and feels. I am not a huge fan of the way the trigger feels. The amount of pressure required is contributing to my lack of accuracy, I think. I tried my friends P229 SAS right after my 938 and loved the way this trigger felt; smooth and easy compared to the 938. If I send it back to Sig for a trigger job and explain what I like and don’t like, will they be able to change it to the way I want it? I am a gun novice, so this is alittle over my head.

    • PJNovember 12, 2013 at 17:11 #

      Jean-Pierre,
      Getting used to a firearm does not occur overnight. As you said you’re “slowly” getting better with this gun. The reason why the trigger is a bit heavier (about 7.5lbs-8.5lbs) is because it’s a single-action trigger system. For self-defense situations you don’t want a negligent discharge (ND) or accidental discharge (AD). Typically an ND or AD is induced by stress and you apply pressure to the trigger under stress and inadvertently fire the gun. Just remember to keep you’re finger off the trigger until on target and ready to shoot. The P229 and the P938 were designed for very different purposes and are very different guns. The P229 is a duty pistol intended to be carried by LE personnel. The P938 is considered a civilian self-defense pistol. The triggers are vastly different for that reason. The P938 is going to be crisp and have snap to it. The P229 is intended to have a longer and smoother pull, which can be better for accuracy. But if you train enough with you’re P938 you can be just as accurate out to certain distances.

      Sig will not be able to change your P938 trigger system. This specific gun is designed to only be fired from the single-action position. Single-action means the gun will only fire when the hammer is already cocked to the rear, which is caused by manually manipulating the slide and chambering a round. A double-action means that for every trigger pull it causes the hammer to go back and fall within that single pull or action. A single-action firearm is always going to have the same pull every time. It really all depends on what you want for yourself. A double-action firearm is traditionally going to have a much longer and smoother pull because each pull requires the hammer to go back then drop in order for the gun to fire. My personal recommendation is to keep the P938 and eventually buy a P229. I would not get rid of your P938. It’s a highly sought after firearm and you’ll regret selling or trading it. You should find a local range where you can rent several firearms and shoot them to see what works best for you and your needs.

      V/R,
      PJ

      • Jean-PierreNovember 12, 2013 at 17:20 #

        Thank you, that is very helpful information. I do like this gun and have no intention of selling it. I will continue to practice with it. I was aware that a single action couldn’t be changed to a double action, but wasn’t sure if they could reduce the the force needed to pull the trigger. Your explanation makes sense. I was just struck by how much better my aim was with the P229 the first time shooting it.
        I also saw some You Tube videos by gun enthusiasts comparing the P938 to other small 9mm carry weapons such as the Ruger LC9, and they mentioned that, while a great gun, the P938 was harder for them to achieve tight groupings compared to several other 9mm guns.

        • PJNovember 29, 2013 at 17:32 #

          Jean-Pierre,
          I kind of smirk when I hear people say they can achieve a good shot group with one gun but not another, even though they’re in the same family of firearms. Such as the pocket 9mms. Yes, some guns are easier to shoot than others, but all it takes is practice and achieving the 7 habits of firearms marksmanship with a gun. If you master the 7 habits with each gun, you’ll have no problem operating the firearm and putting rounds into well-placed shot groups, exactly where you want them. I’ll take a Sig over a Ruger any day of the week.
          V/R,
          PJ

  34. AnonymousNovember 11, 2013 at 17:27 #

    PJ:
    I was at a Gun show in Houston this past weekend. P938s were selling
    for $619 to $ 699 depending on the model at one dealer. As yp the Federal
    Hydro Shoks You mention 124 gr however the one’s I’ve got are all 135 gr
    Did Federal change the weight?

    Charles

    • PJNovember 12, 2013 at 17:20 #

      Charles,
      Those are some good prices for the P938. It’s becoming a very highly sought after pocket 9MM. I’ve actually switched to the 147gr Hydra-Shoks. The 147gr ammo is really close in ballistic performance to a .40S&W….again close but still not a .40 round. I have only read about the 135gr Hydra-Shoks, but have never found them. I’m guessing it’s just another option for shooters as it falls in the middle of the 124gr and 147gr ammo. Hydra-Shoks are still made in 124gr and 147gr, though the 147gr are difficult to come by. I’ll try to find some 135gr and push them through my P938. It’ll take me a couple of weeks because I’m in Chesapeake, VA at training that requires virtually all of my time and attention. I’m in week 6 of a 7-week week advance interdiction/CQC training program. Once I get back to SD I’ll grab some of the 135gr ammo and let you know what I think.
      V/R,
      PJ

  35. Jean-PierreNovember 14, 2013 at 13:05 #

    PJ,
    I read somewhere that this gun was design with 124gr ammo as the optimal choice. Have you seen any problems with the 147gr?

    • PJNovember 29, 2013 at 17:27 #

      Jean-Pierre,
      I’ve heard the same comments. For me, I believe that if a firearm is designed to shoot a certain caliber, it should in fact shoot that caliber regardless of grain/weight. I’ve shot everything from the cheapest 115gr ammo to the most expensive 147gr ammo. The only issues that I found was failures with the cheap ammo that had nothing to do with the firearm. It drives me crazy, especially amongst the 1911 community, when I come across shooters who have very expensive and custom 1911s and they say it can only shoot a very specific weight of ammo. Like I say, if I buy a .45ACP, I should be able to shoot any .45ACP ammo through it. But again, that’s just my opinion.

      The short of it, I shoot and carry everything from 115gr to 147gr 9mm ammo through my P938 with zero issues. Like anything with firearms, especially your carry ammo, you should put at least 50-100 rounds of the exact carry ammo through your gun. It’s just good practice and the right way to operational test the gun and ammo that you’re relying upon for the worst possible situations. I hope this helps.

      V/R,

      PJ

  36. AnonymousNovember 20, 2013 at 20:27 #

    My wife and I both have the 938 as our carry (Extreme and Rosewood). We have put over 1000 rounds thru them and couldn’t be happier.

    • PJNovember 29, 2013 at 17:40 #

      My wife always tries to “borrow” my P938. It’s a fantastic firearm and maybe I should just “buy” my wife the Rosewood variant….hopefully she’ll think it’s hers?!

  37. Jean-PierreNovember 23, 2013 at 11:38 #

    So I went shooting for the 4th time with my P938, and I continue to like this gun more every time I shoot it. Accuracy is improving and I have not had an FTF or FTE since the first time I shot. Today I was trying different defense ammos, and the gun had no problems with any of them. 115 gr FMJ Winchester white box, 124 gr JHP PDX1 Defender Elite, 147gr JHP Speer Gold Dot, 135gr JHP Hornady Critical Duty. It had no problem with any of these different ammunitions. My 14 and 12-year-old sons both shot all of these as well and had no issues either. My accuracy seem to be the best with the 124 gr PDX1 Winchester Defender ammunition. Is there any reason I would be more accurate with one type of ammunition over another?

    • PJNovember 29, 2013 at 17:46 #

      Jean-Pierre,
      I’m glad to hear that you’re enjoying your P938….but it’s no surprise. It’s simply a fantastic gun. When it comes to accuracy with certain types of ammo, there is truth to it. When you use different weights or grain in a certain caliber, the round is either going to move slower or faster. Typically the lower the grain, the faster the round. This means the round is going to perform differently when it comes to ballistics, including accuracy. This is why whatever carry ammo you choose to run with, you should put at least 100 rounds downrange so you get used to how the round performs as it pertains specifically to your shooting skills and your firearm. For me, when it comes to up close personal defense, which means the threat is at or closer than 3 meters, I choose to go with a ballistically heavier round. I run 147gr ammo through my P938.
      V/R,
      PJ

  38. SigDecember 10, 2013 at 22:26 #

    WOW, what awesome info. After some research I just put on layaway a brand new P938 with black rubber grip, ext mag and flush mag, night sights, case and a holster all for $589.00 on sale. And now After reading this info I’m confident I got a good deal. I am however going to check the born on date to see if it may be in the mix for any FTF OR FTE issues. Make sure I use sutable ammo, and thuerally clean and oil the gun before I blast off. This kind of info will be very helpfull and I intend on posting my feedback and experience for others to read and absorb. Thank u all

    • PJDecember 27, 2013 at 16:07 #

      I’m glad the post helped out. This is exactly why we’re here….to share our training and experiences to help out the next guy. Enjoy your new firearm!
      V/r,
      PJ

  39. DaveDecember 15, 2013 at 06:35 #

    I have a P238, which I love, and decided to invest in the P938 as well. Rockwell is running a crazy special on them for $584.00, less 2% if you are in LE, the military or have a CC permit. Both are the Rosewood models, and both have the extended clips. I will pick it up Tuesday and will take it to the range on Thursday along with its little brother for a side-by-side comparison. Can’t wait!

  40. AnonymousDecember 25, 2013 at 05:30 #

    I have fallen in love with the p938. I first held one about four months ago. I have all ways been a Glock guy but always kinda miss the feel of steel in my hands. I grow up with a 1911 45 my Dad gave me.I hope to bring one of those home soon. Thank you for the great review.

    • PJDecember 27, 2013 at 16:13 #

      The P938 is a top-shelf firearm. I was a Glock guy too and still own several models. But ever since my duty piece (secondary) changed over to the Sig P229R-DAK (chambered in .40S&W), I became an instant fan. Now I’m a Sig man and own several of those models. Glocks are great, especially if you like doing all kinds of modifications….it’s the AR of handguns. But something about having steel in your hand says it all. If you grew up with a 1911 then the P938 should be a simple gun for you to shoot and carry.
      V/r,
      PJ

      • Sig/mikeDecember 30, 2013 at 15:22 #

        My last post was I had a p938 on layaway. !!!Supper glad I found this forum and sight!!! Picked it up, took it apart, i have the flat spring which i believe is good, cleaned and wiped everything down, reoiled it. Dry fired it to get used to trigger break, ( quiet a few times ), I think that also worked the trigger and worked in oil to all parts, loaded the mags, yes they are stiff getting the last few in, left them loaded for three days till I got time to shoot, I think that helped lossend the spring a bit cuz it seemed easier each load. When I found time to shoot, yesterday, I blasted 100 rounds of target load 124 grain down range. Flawless, no jams no misfires, no trigger issues, very tight groups, I accually preaty surprised at myself for that, and that this gun shoots very consistent. Sights are amazing, recoil is easy to bear for small size, I like the idea of metal over plastic, thought I might stugle with the short mag getting a good firm comfortable grip but I was wrong. It is real good grip even with short mag, made no difference in accuracy iether. !!!Thanks to this forum and info here!!! I had no issues whatsoever, and the talk about the trigger u may hear here and there, I see no problems. Mine feel smooth and breaks comfortably. Thanks again everyone and well post again. Mike,

      • Sig/mikeDecember 30, 2013 at 15:31 #

        O yay, the wife and 12 year old son will be getting the .380 REAL soon. I recommend these pistols to anyone. Mike

  41. flyrodjeffJanuary 1, 2014 at 09:43 #

    Thank you… An in-depth and well-written review from a credible source. The history on the serial number range of guns with problems is very valuable, as was the fact that you tested the gun with a wide range of ammo from crap to quality. Thanks very much. My new P938 Blackwood arrives in 3 days! I will read many more of your reviews. Are there any videos of you reviewing/shooting?

    • Barry "Buck" ConnerJanuary 1, 2014 at 13:51 #

      As “flyrodjeff” has stated “Thank you… An in-depth and well-written review from a credible source.” The history on the serial number range of guns with problems is very valuable, used it be sure I was buying new inventory. Purchased my new P938 (like yours), came with (2) extra 7 rd. mags. from the dealer, on sale to boot. I will read all of your reviews. Once again thank you for taking the time and effort to keep us informed.

  42. MikeJanuary 1, 2014 at 20:40 #

    Sir,
    I thoroughly enjoyed your review of the P938 and I learned a lot from all the comments and your responses. I love Sigs and although I haven’t fired my new P938 yet, I am really looking forward to it. I hadn’t seen or even heard of this pistol prior to seeing one in a local gun shop. It was love at first sight and I walked out with the Nightmare for $619. I’m convinced you cannot go wrong with a Sig.
    Thanks much.
    Sigmike

  43. RickJanuary 8, 2014 at 16:46 #

    Sig is NOT a quaility firearm. There customer service is the worst. Paid a 1000 bucks for 1911, never shot it just worked the slide and the frame was cutting into the slide. Sig was worthless, said until I shot it, they would not look at it, after I shot they said I have put 500 rounds, then they wanted me to pay for shipping, then they wanted pictures, then they wanted me send on the slide in since it was scratched, two weeks later they said they needed the frame. Two months later they said they are busy and I will get my gun back after they look at it and decide it is a warranty issue. Later they call and say my warranty is VOID since I polished the feed ramp and any modification to the gun without them doing for 200 bucks, voids the warranty.

    They suck on many levels – if you buy one of their Yugo’s you get what you get good luck, if it does not work when you need it, dead men don’t sue, and Sig knows it.

    Unethical, unprofessional and frauds…

    • Sig/mikeJanuary 8, 2014 at 18:48 #

      It is unfortunate to hear from someone firsthand who has had a negative experience with any products and warranty. I just purchased my first sig product, I gathered as much info on it as I could before I decided on a sig. P938. Love it, no issues, shoots straight, and every time I pull the trigger. I never saw the need to polish anything on it tho. Sorry to hear about the bad experience. Hope whatever happens at this point at least one way or another u can be satisfied with the outcome. It can be very frustrating when a company gives you grief about a warranty. Ill remember not to polish anything on my sig. Almost 600 rounds now and it’s never missed a beat, or what I was aiming at, so, so far i see no need to polish anything anyway. I don’t understand what polishing that does if it was never shot and if there was no issue yet. Ill keep mine all factory now thow for sure, the way it was enginered to be and hope I don’t run into any problems. Thank u for sharing your experience and thoughts. It crazy too that they wanted u to shoot a firearm after u told them it had a flaw with the slide, what would happen if u shot it and something terrible went wrong, I would think they would want it back right away to investigate what happend to that firearm from the factory and send u out a new one right away. That sounds kinda foolish!!! I hope I never have to use deadly force to protect myself, but knowing I have a firearm that so far has me 100% convinced it will fire, I am confedent with it. And now I have a bit of knowledge not to modify or polish anything on it. Thanks again
      Sig/mike

  44. LauraLeeJanuary 10, 2014 at 21:04 #

    While I love my p938, being a woman it’s HARD to find any holsters with crimson trace for me. So far I’ve searched for HOURS all I still can’t find a flashbang style holster or even a thigh holster that accommodates the crimson trace. Just my iwb holster. This is a tad bit disappointing as I want to carry concealed in evey outfit and not have to disassemble it and carry without my crimson trace. Also, it’s a bit disappointing that sig offers different models of this gun yet makes it almost impossible to get any other than the nightmare (solid black) or the black/silver model. I searched for about 6 months for a “equinox” model with no luck and finally had to settle. And finding extra mags in a store is impossible. Everything has to be ordered for it. So far, those are my only complaints as I love my sig.

  45. Sig/mikeJanuary 11, 2014 at 11:00 #

    I would like to know how others carry there p938 or p238? As far as cocked and locked with one in the chamber, or just a loaded mag having to draw, rack slide, then ready? What are people’s thought on this? Thank you!

    • JeffJanuary 11, 2014 at 11:16 #

      Cocked and locked in a pocket holster. The safety is stiff enough that it’s not apt to switch off accidentally and the pocket holster covers the trigger.

    • RobbyJanuary 11, 2014 at 11:22 #

      Cocked and Locked is the only way to carry it. That is the way it was designed to be carried. Any other way you may as well just wear a “THis is a Gun Free Zone” button on you chest.

      • Sig/mikeJanuary 11, 2014 at 12:52 #

        Extreamlly well put and straight forward! Never had a thing for buttons anyway, Thanks!

      • DaveFebruary 10, 2014 at 12:15 #

        Well said. My only caution is to get a holster that covers the safety. Otherwise you might inadvertently knock the safety off and have a dangerous situation.

        • Sig/mikeFebruary 11, 2014 at 08:27 #

          I purchased an IWB holster and I am comfortable with cocked and locked with it. The combination of the 938 and IWB holster is very acomidating. Thanks for all the feedback, mike

  46. Sig/mikeJanuary 11, 2014 at 20:27 #

    LAURALEE,,,, check out ” HOLSTERPRO.com” . This guy makes holsters. Sounds to be a private guy company who makes them in his basement, so to speak, I contacted him with a few question and I recieved personal email from him the next day. Maby he can help u out. Hope it helps.
    Sigmike,,

  47. Bill.February 3, 2014 at 09:46 #

    Great Comments. I purchased my sig 938 in April of 2013 it was buult in Feb 2013.

    I have put over 600 rounds of Winchester Whitem box 115 gr. FMJ standard load, another 2 houndred of Fedral 115 gr FMJ standard load, 150 of Blaze 115 gr FMJ standard load and 32 rounds of Hordaday 135gr +P Critical Defense through this gun.
    I have and one FTE with the Fedral and that is the only malfuction so far.
    I have a 7 round mag that I bought and the first one worked fine for two loads then I could not load all 7 routnd in it.
    I took it back and the dealer tryed to load it with 7 and gave up. He gave me another mag and I have had no problems sense.
    I have a couple of holsters but i find that the cheap Uncle Mike IWB size 1. Fits me and the gun very well. I did modify the valcro strap to eliminate all the exsess and keep it short. I am 63 yr. 5ft 8 150 lbs. The size of the Sig made it appealing to start with. I did carry my Walther PPS up until I bought and tested the Sig. I find the Sig has less precived recoil and is more accurate, or I should say I am more accurate with it. The Walther is an excellent weapon. After growing up on a farm and then 22 years in the military I like weapons and have fired many diffrent ones. This Sig, for Personal daily carry, is the best. I wonder if they will ever come out with it in a 40?

    • PJFebruary 4, 2014 at 18:24 #

      Bill,
      First off thank you very much for your 22 years of military service. Thanks for taking the time to read our article and respond. We appreciate it. One FTE out of 600 rounds is a great ratio. It also sounds like you got a messed up 7-round magazine, but I’m glad to hear the dealer exchanged it for you. When it comes to holsters, I typically have a few different ones for each pistol I own. With certain attire I can use different holsters from IWBs to high hip belt holsters. I’m not sure about a .40 S&W in that frame size. That round may be a bit robust for that micro-compact frame size. Have fun with your P938 and keep us posted.
      Very Respectfully,
      PJ

  48. DaveFebruary 10, 2014 at 10:04 #

    I bought the P938 almost a year ago. Love it! In cold weather, when I have more clothing, I carry a Sig .45 Fastback. But in warm weather I can tuck that P938 away with astonishing discretion. It’s not much larger than a wallet, and much flatter than almost any plastic gun. My wife loves the Sig P238 (.380), but this is lots more horsepower for a tiny increase in size.
    Probably the most surprising thing about the P238 was its shootability. I expected a full-house 9 of that size to kick like a goosed mule. I was wrong! It’s lively, but very controllable.
    At first, I experienced a slide lockback while there were still a couple of rounds in the mag. That issue went away after about 100 rounds of break in.
    A month or so back my brother-in-law was looking for a carry gun. I lent him my P938 and he bought his own. Last week a friend borrowed it and fell in love with it. I feel like a Sig missionary!

  49. GregFebruary 19, 2014 at 21:11 #

    Thank you for a nice review. I already purchased a P938 and I think I am one of the few folks in MA who own one :-) I like SIG and own a P229 and a P238. P238 is a great gun for an everyday carry but … .390 is a bit small. I wait for P938 for a long time. I shot no more than 200 rounds. So far no issues with using defensive ammo 115 and 135 and white box 115 FMJ. I have an old FOX IWB holster made for P238. It fits well my new P938. I really like this gun and everyone who shot this one at the range agreed with this statement (total of 6 people).

    • PJMarch 16, 2014 at 20:31 #

      Greg,
      No joke…you probably are the ONLY ONE to own a P938 in MA. I find it funny that when people have problems with the P938 such as FTEs for FTFs, Sig says that they should be using 124gr ammo only. As you may know from my responses in this thread, I’m not a fan of that position. But the “funny” comes in when you read up and down this thread you see all kinds of people shooting 9mm ammo other 124gr with no issues, like myself. Sig says only use 124gr ammo like you were putting gasoline in diesel engine.

      I agree, it’s a fantastic firearm with any type of reputable 9mm ammo!

      PJ

      • Sig/mikeMarch 17, 2014 at 05:21 #

        PJ, Greg,
        I have used federal 115 grain FMJ ammo so far. Just cheep target load. Have not had any issues. I cleaned it before first shooting, then cleaned again. Have not cleaned it since. About 400 rounds now after last cleaning and still not one issue. I was thinking the same to not clean it and see what happens but after the next 100 rounds i will cleaned just because. I did also shoot 50 rounds of 124 grain defense ammo and did just fine with that also. Wierd that some have these issues and others none at all. But just wanted to share that 115 grain shoots just fine in mine. Since I have had no issues I don’t know what could be a fix, i gave mine a good cleaning and oil right out of the box.
        Mike j.
        O, there are plenty of p938 in MIchigan, but they do go fast.

        • GregMarch 17, 2014 at 08:15 #

          PJ: I hope I am not the only one :-)
          Sig/mike: I have been shooting both 115 and 124 every Week. So far excellent – with an exception of some cheap reloads I used once.

          I like this gun a lot. It is very small and feels like much larger gun at the same time. Its just right for me :-)

  50. Frank OrtizMarch 6, 2014 at 12:07 #

    I have a sig P938 and when i first shot it it FTF/ i read your article ” Apparently Sig used the same extractor, extractor spring, and recoil spring from the P238 into the new P938. Remember that the .380 ACP round is pretty much a shorty-9mm round. But the these parts (the extractor, extractor spring, and recoil spring) from the P238 were not enough to properly function and extract the 9mm round. This is where the FTE problems came from. Now the FTF problems were directly related to the smaller P238 recoil spring coupled with what I call a “not so polished” feed ramp. Once the problems were identified, you could send your P938 directly to Sig (on their dime) and they put in what they called an enhanced extractor assembly and recoil spring, along with properly polishing the feed ramp. From what I’ve seen from Sig and forums like SigTalk, those that had the upgrades installed were happy with the final product. I’m sure Sig used those parts from the P238 as a way of cutting costs. I mean it’s a business so these things happen. But what sets Sig apart was how quick they identified the problem and took care of its loyal consumers. I then call the Sig company and they told me that this article was not true, and that i was using the wrong ammo it had to be 124 grain or higher what’s going on? I really like this gun, but i can’t trust a weapon that dose’t work right.

    • MikeMarch 12, 2014 at 14:28 #

      Frank, I have only used 115 grain with my P938. Over 500 rounds before I had my 1st FTE due to not cleaning. it was my intention to shoot without cleaning for as long as I could to test it out. I have had no problems at all. Sig is a very good company. I live local to them and visit there on occasion. Always helpful. I have some difficulty with the safety being a little tough to push up down and they suggested I bring it in to check on it but did say that it does get better with use. My 938 is also a 2013. I have 2. One is still unused. Hope this helps.

      • PJMarch 16, 2014 at 20:23 #

        Mike,
        500 rounds through any pistol will do that as you already know. But I like your idea and your test. I’m going use it next time I review a gun. I’ll be to reference it and call it the “Michael Mason Failure Test”. I also had the same problem with the safety, but Sig told me the same thing. In fact by the end of my initial review the safety lever was smooth and crisp.
        PJ

    • PJMarch 16, 2014 at 20:19 #

      Frank,
      Now I don’t know the exact measurements and tolerances between the extractor and springs of P938 and P238, but in the beginning they looked eerily similar. This is also what was told to me by Sig when I talked to the company before writing my review. I also believe it was simply a means of saving money. Every company in the world does it, and Sig is not immune to this practice. The fact that any gun company says you have to shoot a specific type of ammo in regards to grain is complete nonsense in my book. With the exception of throwing low-grade and sub-par Chinese 9mm through your gun, you should be able to throw lead of any grain through a pistol. If it’s a 9mm, then any quality controlled 9mm round should be able to be fired through it. I would never buy any firearm that could only put a specific grain ammo through it. So if there’s a shortage of 124gr ammo, Sig is pretty much saying we’re out of luck?!

      For me, I have never had a problem. If you’re continuing to have a problems with you P938, I would contact Sig and not back down from sending it back. Don’t settle for “you should only shoot 124gr ammo” response. Send it back and get the upgrades. Whether it’s because they used P238 parts or some other parts, there are upgrades. I hope this helps.

      PJ

  51. ChuckMarch 21, 2014 at 09:38 #

    Thank you for such thorough and well written review. For everyday concealed carry, my wife and I have a pair of “his and hers” P238s which replaced the P232 for us. I am amazed at how well the P238 shoots and it’s accuracy even out to 25 yards is impressive, to say the least. After reading your review, I’m anxious to get my hands on a P938 and might make the switch.

    • PJMarch 21, 2014 at 21:32 #

      Chuck,
      No worries and thanks for taking the time to read this and check out CMG! I really like my P938 a lot. It’s like any other gun, some people like it and some don’t. I’m guessing though that since you like the P238 and P232, that the P938 is going to fit right in. Plus, you’ll have many more options and far better ballistic performance from the 9MM round, than you do from the .380ACP or .32 Auto. It’s just a well-built and great gun to carry and shoot. Good luck in your shopping efforts!
      V/r,
      PJ

  52. Chris colonMarch 26, 2014 at 07:31 #

    This has been the best review that I have read in a long time,I own an p938 nightmare.just got it two Weeks ago, this gun is just awesome.and so was your review.great job.
    Chris colon.

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